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THE PLAMEGATE HOAX: What Did Hillary Know and When Did She Know It?

by Richard Poe
Friday, August 5, 2005

8:44 am Eastern Time
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The left appears to have lost its appetite for the Plamegate scandal. This, in itself, is more than sufficient reason for conservatives to pursue the matter aggressively. The left has much to hide in this affair. Now that they have done us the service of making Plamegate a national issue, let us employ Saul Alinsky’s principle of “political jiu-jitsu” and re-direct the left’s own momentum against it.

Of particular interest is the odd connection between Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper and would-be president Hillary Clinton. Cooper is the reporter who made an elaborate show of pretending that he was ready to go to jail to “protect” his “source” Karl Rove. In fact, we now know that Rove had given Cooper a blanket release to reveal his name some eighteen months before Cooper finally revealed it. So why did Cooper pretend that he only received permission at the last minute, just before he was to be jailed for contempt? And why did major media assist Cooper in his pretense?

Plainly, the Democrats’ media allies were trying to distort the facts to cast Rove in a bad light. But to what end? Such an elaborate deception could not have unfolded on its own. Someone had to orchestrate it. But who?

One hint may come from the fact that Hooper’s wife, Mandy Grunwald, is a former spinmeister for the Clinton White House and a close confidante of Hillary. Her father, Henry Grunwald, was formerly editor of Time magazine, and wrote the first major editorial calling for Richard Nixon’s resignation (hat tip, Sacajaweau).

“The nightmare of uncertainty must be ended,” wrote Grunwald on November 12, 1973. “A fresh start must be made. Some at home and abroad might see in the president’s resignation a sign of American weakness and failure. It would be a sign of the very opposite.”

Grunwald was wrong. “Weakness” was exactly the message Nixon’s ouster sent to the world. His resignation emboldened the North Vietnamese to break their treaty and overrun South Vietnam.

Nixon resigned on August 9, 1974. The Democrat-sponsored Foreign Assistance Act of December 30, 1974 cut off military aid to South Vietnam. Thereupon the North Vietnamese broke the Paris Peace Treaty, launching a full-scale offensive against South Vietnam in January 1975. After siezing South Vietnam and Cambodia, the Communists slaughtered two and a half million innocent civilians.

It would seem that the apple does not fall far from the tree.  Like her father before her, Mandy Grunwald now finds herself at the vortex of what appears to be an effort to undermine our commander-in-chief at a critical phase of a major war.

How likely does it seem, gentle reader, that Matt Cooper failed to discuss his Plamegate work with his wife? And how likely does it seem that Mandy Grunwald failed to keep Hillary’s war room advised of her husband’s progress?

To put it another way, what did Hillary know and when did she know it?

by Richard Poe
August 5, 2005 08:44 AM ET

Cross-posted from MoonbatCentral.com 08.05.05

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  1. x stamper says:

    Richard, why do I get the feeling you read my comment over at FPM? If you did and think I’m right, thanks for the compliment, and GICU2. If you didn’t, I guess great minds think alike.

  2. Richard Poe says:

    x stamper writes: “Richard, why do I get the feeling you read my comment over at FPM?”

    Hmmm. I don’t know. Why do you?

    As indicated by my “hat tip,” I learned that Mandy Grunwald was Henry Grunwald’s daughter from a post by someone named Sacajaweau at FreeRepublic.com.

    As for Mandy Grunwald’s relationship with Hillary, I wrote about that in a Moonbat post of July 13, 2005.

    What was your FPM message about? Sorry, I didn’t see it. Why don’t you give us a link to it?

    Rest assured, x stamper, had I been helped or inspired in any way by your comment, I would have credited you, just as I credited Sacajaweau.

  3. x stamper says:

    I believe the whole Plamegate story was created by the Clintons because a major scandal is coming down the pike and the Clintons are going to be linked to it. When information “leaks” about the Clintons’ involvement in the scandal, the story in the MSM will become the Bush administration is “leaking” classified information, not the Clintons’ involvement in the scandle. All in all, it has the earmarks of a cheap attorney’s trick.

  4. Richard Poe says:

    x stamper writes: “I believe the whole Plamegate story was created by the Clintons because a major scandal is coming down the pike…”

    That may be, but, in my view, Hillary doesn’t need to go to such lengths merely to protect herself from scandal. Her entire career has been shadowed by scandals of one sort or another which major media have obligingly ignored.

    Plamegate appears to be part of a wider scheme to set the stage for impeachment proceedings against President Bush.

    Many conservative commentators, including Rush Limbaugh, have expressed puzzlement at the amount of energy Democrats are expending in attacking Bush, even though Bush will not be on the ballot in 2008.

    What drives these attacks, I believe, is an effort to recreate the Democrats’ successful strategy of 1973-74, in which they ousted Nixon, sabotaged the Vietnam War and unleashed an economic disaster on the United States. Nixon’s disgrace created a backlash against Republicans, whom the media blamed for America’s wretched state.

    The mood of crisis and disillusionment which Democrats generated cleared the way for Jimmy Carter to take the White House in 1976. I think Hillary means to follow in Carter’s footsteps.

  5. Madzionist says:

    Like Dan Rather and Mike Isakoff before him, Cooper’s “PlameGate” scandal will end up hoisting him by his own petard. The Left just doesn’t seem to understand that their monopoly of the news media is gone and the days of reckoning are now upon them via the rightous blogosphere.

    -MZ

  6. x stamper says:

    Richard you are 100% right, impeachment is the idea. First they came out with the identity of Deep Throat and everyone on the right started saying he was a criminal for leaking confidential information. Then we got the Plamegate story. The left says someone needs to go to jail for leaking. The MSM just hearded both sides into a group like sheep. Both sides agree, leaking is illegal and someone needs to go to jail. If the leaker can’t be found the Bush administration is engaged in a cover-up and needs to be impeached. Song sounds familiar doesn’t it?

  7. x stamper says:

    Question to everybody.

    Did I mishear or did Woodward or Bernstein make the comment a couple of weeks ago that during the Watergate scandal they had sources like Mark Felt “AND” Deepthroat?

  8. strick says:

    Richard, you stated: “The mood of crisis and disillusionment which Democrats generated cleared the way for Jimmy Carter to take the White House in 1976.”

    I agree this was an important strategy by the Democrats, but the key to Carter’s victory was forcing Ford to make his decision on the pardon of Nixon. If memory serves me correctly, that happened just a few weeks before the election. Had it not been for that, the silent majority would have put Ford back in office. That said, neither would have worked without the other.

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  10. J. Bargholz says:

    Of course Hillary was on the fast track concerning “Plamegate.” Just like Kerry was for the fake memos.

    She’ll probably be on the fast track for the next manufactured Bush scandal as well. And all of the successive ones. As despicable as she is, you have to give her credit for foresight.

    I guess it’s true that their ultimate goal is Hillary in the White House and Billy in the UN. Sounds like the mad tea party.

  11. Richard Poe says:

    strick writes: “…the key to Carter’s victory was forcing Ford to make his decision on the pardon of Nixon.”

    Well, that’s what the media told us, but the Nixon pardon only offended those people who wanted Nixon prosecuted and jailed – i.e. leftists and hard-core Democrats.

    More important was Carter’s presentation of himself as a Christian conservative in the ’76 campaign. In those days, one could claim to be both a Democrat and a conservative at the same time without causing massive cognitive dissonance at the grassroots.

  12. strick says:

    I have to disagree with you. I remember the climate well and had several convinced to vote Ford until that anouncement. There were several Republicans who felt Nixon should have gone to jail, the vast majority if not all Democrats, but the gray area that pushed Carter over the top was the consensus of more cover-up and scandal by that decision. Like I stated earlier, you needed both of those components for Carter’s success.

    I was upset because it was my first presidential voting loss. I stand at 6 wins, 3 losses. I bet you can figure out the other two.

    Sorry for knocking this off topic. I’ll bow out of this argument now.

  13. Bebora DelSol says:

    The mainstream media has lost interest in Plamegate because there’s not much new to report, although the story is alive and well in the blogosphere. Unlike the media whore Ken Star who leaked his investigations on Clinton to the media at every opportunity, Patrick Fitzgerald isn’t astoundingly tight-lipped on the subject.

    Bob Novak’s behavior on CNN recently suggests to me that he’s under some serious stress, and I don’t think it’s his prostate. I suspect that when the investigation is over, the Bush administration will take a major hit.

  14. Richard Poe says:

    Bebora DelSol writes: “The mainstream media has lost interest in Plamegate because there’s not much new to report…”

    Not much new to report? How about reporting the truth? The whole point of my post is that the MSM have lied about Plamegate, and they have yet to retract any of their lies.

    Bebora DelSol writes: “Unlike the media whore Ken Starr who leaked his investigations on Clinton to the media at every opportunity, Patrick Fitzgerald is astoundingly tight-lipped on the subject.”

    What did Ken Starr leak? I know some of the Clinton operatives who ran Starr’s investigation used to leak information now and then that was beneficial to the Clintons, but what did Starr leak? Please provide specific examples.

    Bebora DelSol writes: ” I suspect that when the investigation is over, the Bush administration will take a major hit.

    Really? What sort of hit will they take? More lies from the MSM? Or what? Please be specific.

    P.S. We don’t allow robotic recitation of Democrat talking points on this site. Please make your reply interesting, original and informative.

    P.P.S. Would that be Mr. DelSol or Miss DelSol?

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  16. Mr. Beamish says:

    I still want to know who told Joe Wilson his wife’s name is Valerie Plame.

  17. Grace Nearing says:

    Richard Poe writes: “I know some of the Clinton operatives who ran Starr’s investigation used to leak information now and then…”

    Now there’s a story to tell! Can you name any names or are they protected sources? Damn, this would be fascinating to read…

  18. FairWitness says:

    The whole Plamegate affair stinks to high heaven now. It has no credibility as a legitimate news story or legal case. It was cooked up by God knows who, probably HRC & her cronies as Richard Poe’s article implies, or someone else on the Left for the purpose of concocting impeachment proceedings against President George W. Bush. The problem with this scenario is that just because this tactic worked against former President Richard Nixon during the Viet Nam War doesn’t mean it has a snowball’s chance in Hell of succeeding today. For one thing, we’re on to them, meaning that we’ve already fallen for this once, seen the consequences of being so stupid & we’re not going for it again. For another thing, the war on terrorism is nothing like Viet Nam & in fact, we know the real war in Viet Nam was nothing like the Viet Nam War the Left depicted it as. So, the bottom line is, the gig is up & the Left has run its course. Their crapola just doesn’t work, or fly, or make sense, & screws up everything in its path & we, the American people, the middle class, we’re not the dumb, ignorant masses they are — we’re taking control of the reins back again, before the USA cease to exist.

  19. Richard Poe says:

    I previously wrote: “I know some of the Clinton operatives who ran Starr’s investigation used to leak information now and then…�?

    Grace Nearing responded: “Now there’s a story to tell! Can you name any names or are they protected sources? Damn, this would be fascinating to read…”

    Here’s a good introductory primer: “The Real Ken Starr

  20. Rightminded says:

    Dinner with the Clintons?

    I couldn’t hold mine down!

    My God, Kenneth, you do know that something is wrong with you, don’t you?

  21. x stamper says:

    Mr. Beamish, I want to know how Joe Wilson found Niger when it’s obvious he can’t find his butt with both hands and a roadmap!

  22. Grace Nearing says:

    Mr. Poe: Thank you for the link. Grace

  23. Richard Poe says:

    Miss Nearing: You are most welcome.

  24. Seeing the Forest says:

    Clinton Did It

    I swear this is for real. The wingnuts are blaming the Clintons for the leak of a CIA agent’s identity. THE PLAMEGATE HOAX – What Did Hillary Know and When Did She Know It?. OF COURSE! (Through Daou Report’s Rove…

  25. x stamper says:

    Seeing the Forest, the Plamegate story can’t stand on its own two feet. Richard has simply pointed out what common sense tells you. It’s not realistic to believe Mandy Grundwald did not talk to her husband about the story and keep team Hillary informed.

  26. stevewhitemd says:

    Re comment #8: Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon on September 8, 1974. This is, of course, more than two years before the Ford-Carter election in November, 1976.

  27. piniella says:

    we know the real war in Viet Nam was nothing like the Viet Nam War the Left depicted it as.

    “We of the Kennedy and Johnson administrations who participated in the decisions on
    Vietnam acted according to what we thought were the principles and traditions of
    this nation. We made our decisions in light of those values. Yet we were wrong,
    terribly wrong. We owe it to future generations to explain why.” Robert S.McNamara,

    IN RETROSPECT:THE TRAGEDY AND LESSONS OF VIETNAM
    by ROBERT S. MCNAMARA WITH BRIAN VANDEMARK

  28. piniella says:

    WILSON WAS CORRECT:

    DUELFER REPORT
    http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap4.html

    ISG has not found evidence to show that Iraq sought uranium from abroad after 1991 or renewed indigenous production of such material–activities that we believe would have constituted an Iraqi effort to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program.

    So far, ISG has found only one offer of uranium to Baghdad since 1991–an approach Iraq appears to have turned down.

  29. piniella says:

    The whole Plamegate affair stinks to high heaven now. It has no credibility as a legitimate news story or legal case.

    The DOJ, Mr. Fitzgerald, a district court judge and three appellate court judges disagree with you.

  30. strick says:

    SW, my bad. Nothing like having someone blow their credibility as they first get started on this board. Maybe its the loss of memory and age thingy, years now seem like weeks.

  31. Madzionist says:

    Seems that some people have selective angles for their beliefs. Mr. Fitzgerald is far more likely to come back with another indictment of Wilson or Plame for sedition than a legitimate piece of evidence against the Bush administration. How many times must we point out Wilson having been disgraced, Plame found to be an agent for the Democratic Party, and Cooper to have knowingly produced a tainted story designed to further his leftist political activism (and is now likely to cost him his career) before these fundamentalists on the left stop drinking the cool-aid, think for themselves, and open their eyes?

    It’s like we’re dealing with zombies wandering throught the internet in a leftist trance babbling the same talking points about issues that have been already completely debunked. Sad, really.

    -MZ

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